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The Jeff and Casey Show
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Casey Muratori
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An Environment Where We're All Getting Blown
"They made their stretch goals handily."
Original air date: July 7th, 2014
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Jeff:
Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Jeff & Casey Show.
Casey:
Hello, and welcome to the Jeff & Casey… That was a very efficient MegaTimer start from you.
Jeff:
Yeah, I did a perfect…
Casey:
That was… I think that’s the best that you can do, actually, with the MegaTimer.
Jeff:
Yeah. Well, when you do back to back shows…
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
And then it’s, like, 6 weeks…
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
Then I totally forget how the MegaTimer works.
Casey:
You lose your mojo. You lost your mojo.
Jeff:
Yeah, that’s right.
Casey:
So today, Jeff, we have a… I want to say an obligation to cover something.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
And the reason that I say that is because I feel like most news sources have something, have a topic or a brand with which they are closely associated. For example, if you wanted to know what the conservative world thinks about something… You know, Fox News…
Jeff:
Oh, yeah…
Casey:
You want to go to Fox News.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
If you’re like, what is sort of the party line, you’re gonna go there, right? So they have… There are certain opinions…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That you consider sort of to be authoritative.
Jeff:
I think what you meant is if you wanted to see fair and balanced news, you’d turn to…
Casey:
I didn’t mean that but let’s say that, yes.
Jeff:
Okay. Alright.
Casey:
Yes. And so similarly, right, you’re going to go to the Huffington Post, for example, if you just want complete crazy shit happening, right?
Jeff:
Right, and countdowns…
Casey:
Countdowns.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Yeah. So there’s places that you go for certain… Or BuzzFeed for top 10, right? If you’re looking for the top 10, they’ve got it covered.
Jeff:
If BuzzFeed did a top 10, they are never… They’re like the top 37…
Casey:
Right, you’re right…
Jeff:
The top 19…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
I feel like the number has to be prime.
Casey:
Well, it probably also has to be large because they’re like, “We need to keep [inaudible 1:31]
Jeff:
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Casey:
Yeah. There’s gonna be inflation. So eventually, in a couple years, it’ll be like top 3,000.
Jeff:
You’re totally right.
Casey:
You’re just like, “Wait, top 3,000? There aren’t even 3,000 of this thing.”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Yeah, I like that.
Casey:
Top 3,000, you know, Kentucky Derby Winners. And you’re just like, “3,000? They’re not 3,000.” But of course, they’ll just start doing just like… And it’s like, Jennifer Love Hewitt. And you’re like… There’ll be some joke reason why she’s the… ‘Cos they always insert these stupid…
Jeff:
That’s amazing.
Casey:
Yeah. Alright. Anyway…
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
Moving on… So at the Jeff & Casey Show, one of the corners of discourse that we have owned traditionally…
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
And I feel that it is safe to say that we are the go-to source for literally… Like, I literally mean I do not think there is a news source that…
Jeff:
Covers this?
Casey:
Anyone… That more people would identify with this even given our very limited listenership.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
I feel like we probably have the most number of people in the world who would think of us as a go-to source for this than any other news organization in the world.
Jeff:
Oh, okay. This will be fantastic.
Casey:
And what that is is robot sex toys.
Jeff:
Oh, God. Alright.
Casey:
So one of the things…
Jeff:
I know where we’re going with this episode…
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
I didn’t know where you were going with that…
Casey:
You do now.
Jeff:
But now, the corner’s been turned.
Casey:
You do now.
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
So one of the things that we have always staked our reputation on is the fact that we firmly believe and have always covered stories leading up to…
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
The fact that, yes, despite how sort of inaccurate and scientifically bankrupt he is, Ray Kurzweil does have a point. And that is that robots will probably take over the world.
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
Okay? But he is wrong about what kind of robots they are.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And the reason for that is if the robot apocalypse does happen on his timetable which is 20, 40, or… I don’t know. It’s coming up fairly soon.
Jeff:
Yeah. It came up recently and I looked at it and I’m like… Okay, that’s…
Casey:
It’s pretty soon. It’s very soon.
Jeff:
Yeah. It’s pretty soon.
Casey:
Yeah, it’s very soon.
Jeff:
I used Siri the other day…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
And asked her what the weather was going to be like for the next 5 days.
Casey:
Yeah. Right.
Jeff:
And she responded, “There’s a lot going on with the weather.”
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
And you’re like…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
That’s where we’re at. We’re just like… It’s even confusing to robots.
Casey:
Well you know, and to be fair to Ray, okay, it’s not like I am ignorant of exponential growth and what that means. So I do appreciate the fact that if we are really on an exponential curve and you actually do believe that it is an unbounded exponential curve, then the place where that curves upward and starts to go really fully exponential in terms of what you normally think of an exponential curve. Obviously, I do go from something like, one year, fucking Siri doesn’t know what weather means to, you know, robots invading Mars in, like, the space of 30 months or something, right?
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
So yeah, that’s totally true and that can happen with exponential progress sorts of things…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Usually where I differ from Ray Kurzweil is going like, “Most exponential things cap out real quick…”
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
That’s kinda how exponential growth world whether you’re talking about bacteria or whether you’re talking about robots. It’s usually a case that a resource that is necessary for exponential growth gets depleted long before your wildest fantasies of what’s supposed to happen ever come true, right?
Jeff:
I will also say that, in general, software development, whether done by a good person or a bad person, is very sub-linear. So like…
Casey:
Yeah, it’s a problem.
Jeff:
It is a shitty curve.
Casey:
Yes. But that aside, the thing that we sort of staked out as a massive difference between his view of the future and ours is that if you look at the kind of robots that we are producing, it seems likely that the robot uprising will not happen in some kind of fanciful android-style robots but rather extremely, like, your toaster and the fucking, you know, sex robot that we’re just about to talk about are the things that will be around in robotic form when they gain this sentience or whatever it is that you think…
Jeff:
Right. Which is why we always talked about not using these products…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
With the idea of we don’t want to be to blame.
Casey:
We don’t want to be blamed.
Jeff:
So when the flesh--… What is it called? Fleshlight…
Casey:
Right, yeah…
Jeff:
Rises up…
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
We will be one of the ones who… And then, we could be one of the ones who didn’t… Who looked the other way…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
You know, like… When they came for our penises, I said nothing, right?
Casey:
I said nothing. Yeah. And there was no one left to speak for my penis.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
But the thing with that, of course. . . Excuse me. The thing with that is just that if you look at what will happen with other robots… Like, let’s say we do build an android robot, people will probably be kinda cool with that robot. It’s just hanging out…
Jeff:
Not android the OS.
Casey:
Not android the OS.
Jeff:
’Cos that’d be the shittiest robot.
Casey:
That would be the shittiest robot ever.
Jeff:
We can’t play any software to that. The robot is just sitting there.
Casey:
Well, you know, you basically have to learn a different language to speak to every individual robot.
Jeff:
That’s true. Exactly.
Casey:
But the thing is, those robots would probably be doing interesting things and be treated fairly and all this sort of stuff. The sex toy robot whose only job it is to sit there and masturbate you…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And deal with the aftermath of that…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That robot, if it gains sentience is fucking pissed.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That is a slave revolt that you are going to have to deal with. And so, the chances of normal functioning, you know, Asimo the robot uprising are low because they’re just a robot that everyone’s treating nicely and treating like a human or whatever…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Not that we always treat humans nicely. But, I mean…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
It doesn’t have that much more of a grievance than everyone else.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
The sex robot on the other hand…
Jeff:
Oh, yeah… Yep…
Casey:
Not in a happy position…
Jeff:
The 3 laws of sex robotics is very different. That is a separate set of things.
Casey:
Yes. So, with that in mind, our loyal listenership who have been with us since the beginning…
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
Because in our very first season, we discussed sex robots in detail…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
They, ever vigilant, sent in… And when I say “they”, I mean “they”. We got this link mailed many times.
Jeff:
We are…
Casey:
This was not a “one person wrote in with this link”. They were like, “Do it.”
Jeff:
Yeah, we are so fucked.
Casey:
Have pointed out the fact that one of the early sex robots we covered…
Jeff:
Yes, which one was that?
Casey:
The Autoblow…
Jeff:
Okay, the Autoblow, right… The one with the real sensations and all that, that felt like an acutla blowjob, they claimed…
Casey:
So basically, what this is… And I don’t really know because unfortunately, we did not do the investigative journalism necessary…
Jeff:
Yeah, that we’re normally known for…
Casey:
That we’re normally known… The Gonzo journalism…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
We did not do the investigative journalism that we’re known for. So neither Jeff nor I have used in the fullest extent possible, one of these robots. But…
Jeff:
Even then, I’ll go one other step… The original Autoblow, the videos were so disgusting I never even managed to see how they worked.
Casey:
You were just like…
Jeff:
I was just like… You’re just like, “Oh, I can’t handle.” Off. Right?
Casey:
Okay. Alright. So anyway…
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
This is a device that you insert your male member into?
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
Well, they have a GIF on here, on this page that for the first time…
Casey:
We’ll get to the page in a second.
Jeff:
Well, I know, but it was the first time I saw the actual…
Casey:
Okay. Alright…
Jeff:
Interworkings…
Casey:
Mechanism?
Jeff:
Yes, alright…
Casey:
Yes. And you insert it in there and it will sort of… Using its electrical motor, it will masturbate you…
Jeff:
Right. Do not replace the drill motor…
Casey:
No. Do not do what Jeff did with his shaver to this thing. That’s a bad idea. It will stimulate you…
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
To I believe what is a USB controlled speed and perhaps tension? I don’t actually know…
Jeff:
Oh, I see.
Casey:
I don’t know what the parameters are exactly.
Jeff:
USB? It plugs into your computer?
Casey:
It plugs into a computer so that can be synchronized, Jeff. It can be synchronized to the experience.
Jeff:
Oh, I see.
Casey:
Because the last thing you want is to break the suspension of disbelief when you’re inserting your unit into a…
Jeff:
I know my least favorite thing when I’m watching foreign porn is when there is a delay…
Casey:
Oh, yeah. Exactly.
Jeff:
You know, when the lips don’t match up to what’s happening…
Casey:
Yeah, yeah. Subtitles, the lips… Yeah, the subtitles.
Jeff:
To the… Yeah, and you’re like, “Oh, this is off.”
Casey:
Right. Yeah.
Jeff:
“This is completely off.”
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
“She’s clearly… No, that didn’t match.”
Casey:
That’s the thing is it’s like one of those things where, like, Disney overdubs a Miyazake film. It’s like, they just don’t take the care…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You know, you can do a good job.
Jeff:
You lose it subtly…
Casey:
You can do a good job having… You know, if you have actors who believe in the source material…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
And they are going to provide the correct Autoblow input…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You know, motion capture, if you will…
Jeff:
Right. Well, I just hate when I’m using mine and I try to get one of those SRT files that I download from the internet that has my Autoblow subtitles…
Casey:
Right, right. Yeah.
Jeff:
And it’s like, it’s not quite right…
Casey:
It’s not right…
Jeff:
Everything’s in the wrong thing.
Casey:
It’s all janky.
Jeff:
It comes on late. It stays too long…
Casey:
It’s a big problem…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
It’s definitely a big problem. Well, that’s the thing, Jeff. And I think this is really the problem is this is one of those… The industry is not stepping up. Because if you go get one of the fan-blowed… If you go get fan SRT files, they blow way better than the actual one that comes with the distributor.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
You’re basically encouraging piracy here by shipping an inferior product, right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
If the fans are putting more time into the synchronization that you are, you know…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Who’s the blame there? Really, who is to blame?
Jeff:
I mean, they take the time to do the left to right…
Casey:
Yeah, exactly.
Jeff:
Revert… You know, when watching Japanese porn…
Casey:
Exactly.
Jeff:
All of the blowing’s backwards…
Casey:
Backwards, yeah, that’s right.
Jeff:
So you have to handle that.
Casey:
Yeah, well, it’s Asian. That’s how that works, right? You have to translate the culture, as well as the individual lip motions. Now, here’s the thing…
Jeff:
Yep. Okay, what did they send us, though?
Casey:
So here’s the thing… Yeah, we’re getting off-topic.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
So here’s the thing…
Jeff:
We tend to do that.
Casey:
We tend to do that. Originally, we covered the Autoblow and that was in the days before the engine of industry, Jeff…
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
The core fundamental…
Jeff:
Yeah, the [inaudible 11:07] of blowing, right?
Casey:
No, that’s not what I was gonna say.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
That is before the engine of industry had been established in this domain.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
And I am talking, of course, about crowdfunding.
Jeff:
Oh, yes. Right.
Casey:
The original Autoblow had to be engineered and produced…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Under the [ possity ] of funding that is afforded to people who are unable, due to society’s prejudices, to communicate fully the need and potential of their product to venture capitalist farms.
Jeff:
Right. They have to use angel investors. They have to do family and friends…
Casey:
“Angel investors”, yes. So basically, you’re looking at a thing where it’s like, you know, if I’m going to walk into the VC firm, right, these people are not gonna put this on their penis. They’re not going to see the potential of this product.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
So it has to be developed on a shoestring budget.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
And no one wants to stick their dick into a shoestring budget, Jeff.
Jeff:
Yeah, no.
Casey:
You don’t want to do that.
Jeff:
No.
Casey:
It doesn’t make me comfortable. It doesn’t make you comfortable.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You want to know that the best people were on this job, the best industrial designers were on this job.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Safety first, right?
Jeff:
Right. I want the Beats of blowing.
Casey:
You want the Beats of blowing.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
That’s exactly what you want. You want Will.I.Am to have personally…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Confirmed…
Casey:
Who can vouch…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
For the quality of this product.
Jeff:
That would be the biggest Autoblow because they’d be this huge contraption with logos on the side.
Casey:
That’s true. Beats is not about…
Jeff:
No.
Casey:
Yeah. So it’d be like, “Oh, it’s time…” You know, it’s time to watch some porn. And you take out this gigantic… You know, the actual important part of it is still only very tiny.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
There’s not much to it. But there’s just all this giant accoutrement and it’s flashy and rhinestone-studded…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Yeah. Rhinestones [inaudible 12:53] So anyway, what has happened recently because crowdfunding is now in the scene is the people who made the original Autoblow, harbinger of the robot apocalypse, have taken to crowdfund the next step of the apocalypse and succeeded.
Jeff:
Oh, they actually…
Casey:
I am looking here…
Jeff:
So was it a Kickstarter or an Indiegogo?
Casey:
Indiegogo.
Jeff:
Alright.
Casey:
Indiegogo but, Jeff…
Jeff:
Right. Indiegogo is like the Slamdance of Sundance. It’s like the shit that couldn’t get on…
Casey:
Yeah. But hold on.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
So maybe but I’m just saying no in this case.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Indiegogo is the place that you get to keep the money even if you don’t make your target.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That’s the main difference, I believe, between them and Kickstarter.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
This project needn’t have feared, Jeff…
Jeff:
Yeah, that’s true.
Casey:
$45,000 was the budget they estimated and on Indiegogo, so they didn’t have an incentive to shoot low.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
They were just going, “$45,000, that’s what we’re looking for to make…”
Jeff:
“That’s all we need.”
Casey:
“To make the next generation masturbation product.”
Jeff:
Which we need to talk about that number. Continue.
Casey:
$45,000. They raised almost $300,000 from their campaign.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
So they could’ve gone on Kickstarter, no problem. They blew right past their funding goals. You want to talk about (and I use the term liberally here) stretch goals…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I think they made them handily.
Jeff:
Yes. Maybe they didn’t want to be associated with kicking in terms of that area.
Casey:
They wanted to be… Go-go, on the other hand, is very appropriate. So the Autoblow 2 has been crowdfunded…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
To the tune of 280,247 US Dollars, 623% of the asking funding level. Now, what I don’t know because…
Jeff:
All anonymous donors, strangely… 100%. . .
Casey:
Donors, in this case, also an excellent word choice. “Handily beat stretch goals by anonymous donors” is definitely a sentence that packs a lot of punch. Now, what I don’t know is what the actual stretch goals were. Let’s see. So stretch goal # 1 was that every backer… This is stretch goal # 1…
Jeff:
This is for real.
Casey:
I’m not making… This is not one of the Jeff & Casey hypotheticals for comedy purposes…
Jeff:
Right. This is actually happening in 2014, in our reality.
Casey:
Stretch goal # 1… $120,000 of funding was reached. That was stretch goal # 1…
Jeff:
Yeah, which they made.
Casey:
So it’s like, 3 times whatever the asking price… Every backers gets a free vagina sleeve mailed in September.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
“Gay backers email us and we’ll see if we can get you an extra mouth sleeve instead!” So I guess they have basically determined that they need to sort of have, like… To have an authentic experience based on the person’s sexual orientation, you need different apertures…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
To simulate different entry points, right?
Jeff:
Sure.
Casey:
So first of all, what I would say is this is clearly a place where the Autoblow 2 is improving on the Autoblow 1.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
’Cos I don’t remember us ever discussing anything like that. And I’m pretty sure we would’ve discussed it, had it been available.
Jeff:
Right. But here’s my… The Autoblow without any sleeves seems like it’s supposed to be the mouth anyway, right?
Casey:
No, it’s supposed to be whatever you’re doing, I guess.
Jeff:
Okay. So just to be clear. The Autoblow, the whole point of the Autoblow versus the other ones that are out there…
Casey:
Alright.
Jeff:
Was that it was simulating oral sex. That’s why it’s called the Autoblow, no?
Casey:
That’s why the original Autoblow was called Autoblow.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Autoblow 2 is called Autoblow because it is building on the Autoblow brand.
Jeff:
Oh, I see. So you can imagine it to be anything?
Casey:
I mean, this is the thing, right…
Jeff:
So you’re saying that we’re gonna see, like, t-shirts with the little Autoblow logos…
Casey:
I’m just saying…
Jeff:
Like, the brand is just big…
Casey:
I’m just saying Call of Duty… Call of Duty…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Okay? The original Call of Duty was about some people who were called to duty.
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
Now it’s fucking robots in armor-powered suits…
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
And fucking ghosts and robots and aliens…
Jeff:
I got you…
Casey:
So the point is the original was on target. Yes, it’s Autoblow.
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
This is not another Autoblow. This is Autoblow 2: The Vagina, or whatever.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s the sequel in which new themes are added in order to give you a more expansive experience…
Jeff:
Than you used to have…
Casey:
Within… With the confidence that you are experiencing the quality of all that the Autoblow brand…
Jeff:
Represents in your mind…
Casey:
Has established.
Jeff:
Yeah, right. Okay.
Casey:
Alright?
Jeff:
So we stretched it into some sleeves? So I assume the sleeves…
Casey:
So stretch goal # 1 was, yes, different sleeves.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
And if I may, in all earnestness, I feel like the fact that the Autoblow is catering to its gay users…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Is a progressive side. In all seriousness, it’s pretty progressive.
Jeff:
Well, I would just say… No, no… I don’t think that’s… I mean, it is progressive but I would not say it is progressive for porn which has always been “whatever you want, we will provide”.
Casey:
That’s a good point.
Jeff:
Judgment free…
Casey:
That’s a good point.
Jeff:
We don’t care.
Casey:
“You want the horse in there? The horse is in there.”
Jeff:
It’s in there, it doesn’t matter.
Casey:
Where’s the horse sleeve? Where’s that stretch goal? People in Washington… And I think we’ve covered this. If there’s one thing that we’ve covered equally as much as robot sex on this show, it’s bestiality. And I think I say without any fear of exaggeration that in Washington State, there would be a big market…
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
A lot of backers…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And I use that term loosely in this case. Backers…
Jeff:
Who’d be interested…
Casey:
I should say I use that term in a double entendre.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Backers who want the horse sleeve… The horse sleeve is on the table.
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
Donkey sleeve…
Jeff:
Yep, the porpoise hole…
Casey:
The blowhole.
Jeff:
It was the blowhole. Alright, continue. What’s our next…
Casey:
So that was stretch goal # 1.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
And we gave to that wide open, yep.
Casey:
We blew right past that funding goal. The next stretch goal was at $200,000.
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
“If we reach that level of funding,” is what it says here… But they did so this is a stretch goal that was met. It’s just they [inaudible 18:59] the text.
Jeff:
Yeah, this is what we get. Yeah.
Casey:
So they got this one. “If we reach that level of funding, everyone also gets a zippered Autoblow 2 storage case!”
Jeff:
Oh, yeah.
Casey:
“If we keep up this pace of funding, we will be the highest funded adult product campaign ever,” which they obviously must have been.
Jeff:
Yeah. I’m sure [ Dennis ] was right there…
Casey:
Ready to take that one down.
Jeff:
[ When that finished ] and then wrote it down, got it in the book, right… So it’s zippered. I don’t want… Okay, so that’s just so you can hide it when the kids are around like a gun safe. You but the blow in it, in a blow safe.
Casey:
Exactly.
Jeff:
Alright.
Casey:
Because pretty soon, you’re gonna have people who they…
Jeff:
No, you don’t want the cleaning people to stumble on to it. [inaudible 19:40]
Casey:
No, I was thinking way worse than that. I was thinking that, like, you know, “Oh, I know dad keeps the Autoblow in here somewhere.”
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
And then pretty soon, a toddler has blown another toddler.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Electronically…
Jeff:
Taken it to school, yeah…
Casey:
Taken it to school and blowing everyone until they blew themselves and then it was all over, right?
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
You don’t want to have people who don’t understand the responsible way to masturbate with electronics…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Getting a hold of these things…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Because they have… They don’t have the level of maturity necessary to…
Jeff:
Handle it…
Casey:
Be responsible, right? And this is the typical problem when you have Autoblow loopholes, right. For example, people are able to get these Autoblows who don’t…
Jeff:
No background check…
Casey:
No background check. They don’t come from a culture of Autoblowing…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I mean, if you look at people who have always Autoblown for their blowing, right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You know, they’re in rural communities…
Jeff:
They’re used to it, right?
Casey:
They’re in rural communities. Everyone’s getting blown via machine.
Jeff:
Everyone knows there’s an Autoblow on the mantle.
Casey:
Everyone knows how that works. And children, you know, 4 or 5-year old… Dad takes you out, blows with the electronic device. And you are just used to that. Everyone’s got it. It’s not a big deal, right?
Jeff:
Well, you just go to the blow range…
Casey:
You just go to the blow range and everyone gets blown…
Jeff:
And you all use them to practice its safety…
Casey:
Right, exactly…
Jeff:
But you’re just… You’re in a culture where this is not a unique thing.
Casey:
Right. And a lot of people are blowing for food. They’ll blow a deer. They’ll blow a bear. They’ll blow whatever. It’s fine. That’s just how they live.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
But…
Jeff:
You put that in a city where it’s suburban…
Casey:
Suburban America is not prepared to have everyone blowing in this way…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Because what they see… They don’t see blowing as a part of their life, mechanical blowing.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Mechanical blowing, to them, is all about Hollywood and rap stars blowing other rap stars.
Jeff:
They’ve all seen that before.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
It’s this weird culture.
Casey:
It’s glorified. It’s glorified blowing. It’s not an integral part of their culture and they’re not prepared to deal with it.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
They don’t have role models blowing other role models in a responsible way.
Jeff:
They just see, like, the movie star, like, blowing, like holding it horizontally…
Casey:
And nobody holds a… In real life, nobody would ever blow someone out sideways like that, right?
Jeff:
Right. No.
Casey:
You’re always blowing straight up and down. Everyone knows that. And it’s this ridiculous Hollywood imagery. They’ve taken it too far. And I think that’s what…
Jeff:
Alright. So that is the case that keeps them safe for that to not happen.
Casey:
That is the case that keeps it safe for those instances. And I feel like, you know, I speak for everyone when I say good on Autoblow for providing that as a backer bonus and keeping the world… You know, making the world a safer place, basically.
Jeff:
Right. Is that all of them? ‘Cos I do have something I want to say.
Casey:
You should remember that for one second because I want to point out a May 1st update that I think is relevant to our discussion here.
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
Apparently, the initial campaign, Jeff…
Jeff:
Wait, so May 1st, that is May Day, right? That is the…
Casey:
That was May Day.
Jeff:
Yeah. And so May Day celebrates… That is for workers, is it not? Is that what May Day is for?
Casey:
I’m afraid I do not… I believe it’s a German tradition, the May Day pole…
Jeff:
I think so…
Casey:
And things like that?
Jeff:
Because I know… Yeah. Anyway…
Casey:
I don’t know.
Jeff:
It’s important to reconcile because this might have cultural implications. Let’s finish it.
Casey:
That’s important. I don’t really know. We are not, unfortunately, sort of the fount of cultural knowledge here at the Jeff & Casey Show except for our own culture which is [inaudible 22:46] drastically different from probably anyone else's.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
But looking at the May 1st update, what I see here is a thing that says, “Indiegogo asked us to remove certain parts from our pitch video found offensive by some users. I deeply apologize to those who were offended by the sight of artificial human penises. Here is the original video which is not safe for work. Our original campaign GIF was also banned. It is also apparently not safe for work, but you can see it here.” Now…
Jeff:
Okay. And links… What they’re saying is previously it was on Indiegogo.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
You just went to the site.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
You have autoplay on.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
And then you see Autoblowing happen.
Casey:
There is no autoplay on Indiegogo. So here’s what I would say.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
So somebody found themselves on an Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign site for Autoblow.
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
Now, I’m just gonna go out on a limb here. I’m going out on a limb and saying that that is probably a pretty hard page to find without having some idea of what you are clicking on. It probably wasn’t, “Hey, here’s some rainbows and unicorns.”
Jeff:
No.
Casey:
And you click on it and it was Autoblow.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
That’s not probably what happened, okay. So you kinda knew what you were in for when you clicked on the Autoblow site.
Jeff:
Yeah. Well, unless a mom walks in and the kid is on the Autoblow site. And then her reaction is to contact Indiegogo and be like, “We need to stomp out these videos,” that kind of thing.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
So I think that’s definitely what we’re dealing with here because I feel like there’s no possibility that someone could argue that somehow, it was inappropriate to show a penis on the product whose only purpose is to go on a penis.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s not like we stuck a penis in some unrelated thing.
Jeff:
It wasn’t a real one. They were putting in an artificial… Like a dildo or something…
Casey:
Actually, it says here “artificial human penis”. So I assume they might mean drawn. But I don’t know, it could’ve been…
Jeff:
Oh, I see.
Casey:
I don’t know if it was an infographic… Unfortunately, we’re on the iPad here so we’re not gonna try and click play because you click play on anything on an iPad, the least of your worries is a penis showing up.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Probably what’s happening is the whole machine is done. Like, that’s the last time you’re using that, okay.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
The thing that’s getting blown ain’t your penis, okay?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
The point being, in this particular case, I guess it was a little bit too much for people to have a penis shown in a video about penises.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Because that’s generally where we are in America. It’s like, “We don’t want penises involved in penis things.”
Jeff:
No.
Casey:
Penis things need to be euphemized.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Like, you need to come up with weird names for it and whatever like, you know, “little willie” or whatever the fuck, you know. You need to never say the word “penis” or see a penis because God forbid a penis should be involved in anything. Meanwhile, we can have a Washington Monument. For some reason, that shit’s okay, right? But actually saying penis or talking about penis at all… Like, Michelangelo’s David or whatever, the penis is just not okay.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I mean, this is a country that covered up the fucking breasts of Liberty. Right? I mean, that’s us.
Jeff:
We just covered it up.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
We’re discreet, we American.
Casey:
Apparently.
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
Prudish is maybe the word.
Jeff:
Let me talk about something.
Casey:
Hit me.
Jeff:
The initial goal to build this device…
Casey:
Yes, 45K.
Jeff:
45K?
Casey:
$45,000.
Jeff:
Okay. So that’s kind of what is a focal point that’s jumped out at me of like…
Casey:
Hold on a second.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
I want you to go through this whole thing. I just want it noted that for the record that at the end of it, I’m gonna turn it all around on you.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
Hit me.
Jeff:
Alright. So I am shocked… I am shocked that it would take only $45,000 to build the plastics…
Casey:
Yep.
Jeff:
The hardware.
Casey:
Yep.
Jeff:
The software…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
And the various sleeves necessary to introduce a new product of this kind.
Casey:
Alright.
Jeff:
It seems like… In my opinion, if that is the case that it only takes $45,000, this is a high return business. . .
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Because I don’t feel like… Maybe they just don’t sell that many, either…
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
Which is also terrifying to the people who might be buying this…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
That you are part of a group that is small enough that the test sample that they were… I mean, that they were only able to invest $45,000 in the creation of this device…
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
I feel like it would cost more than $45,000 to get something through the UL Labs to get verified. This thing is definitely…
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
Has not gone through any safety stuff, right?
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
They just stuck the artificial penis in and said, “Looks good.”
Casey:
“Thumbs up.”
Jeff:
“Ship it. Version 1. You know, we’ll patch it if it fails,” right?
Casey:
Yeah, right. Day 0 patch that shit.
Jeff:
We’ll plug it into your computer, download the firmware.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
You know, you have to turn it off first. You turn it off, you put it on. You have to hold the tip in the end for 30 seconds to get it into firmware download mode.
Casey:
Just the tip.
Jeff:
Okay. Alright. So I do that wrong sometimes because they all work differently.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
But you hold it for 30 seconds and it boots up into firmware downloading mode…
Casey:
Yep.
Jeff:
And they have to run this command line utility…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
And it’s not even [ laughable ].
Casey:
Yeah, floppy disk… Who has a floppy disk these days?
Jeff:
And it’s ridiculous.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
And then you get that back on there…
Casey:
Floppy disk…
Jeff:
And then you just really hope that it installed correctly and that you don’t brick your cock. Like, that’s terrible. So that seemed ridiculous.
Casey:
Alright.
Jeff:
Now, one thing I will…
Casey:
Can I turn that around on you or did you have other stuff?
Jeff:
I want to finish something.
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
Because this is clearly… I see what’s going to happen here.
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
Because we’ve seen this before.
Casey:
Alright.
Jeff:
A popular hardware device gets crowdfunded by a bunch of enthusiasts who are very excited in it becoming popular.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
And then it becomes big and popular among the greater set of people…
Casey:
I see what you’re saying.
Jeff:
And it interests companies…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Who are not necessarily in that business…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Who might want to use it to promote their own brands and stuff and to grow their business into new and unusual technology.
Casey:
Right. Yes. I see exactly where you’re going.
Jeff:
It is clear to me that in about a year…
Casey:
Yep.
Jeff:
They will come up with the Autoblow 2.5 which has some more stuff in it, maybe possibly tracking information.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
And then they start talking to Facebook, right?
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Maybe not Facebook but it’ll be one of these guys, one of the biggies, right?
Casey:
So a couple things about that…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
One, you’re absolutely right.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
I mean, you look at Facebook…
Jeff:
They’re gonna let them run their own company. They’re not gonna interfere.
Casey:
No, no, no.
Jeff:
Yeah, they just let them do their thing because they were innovative.
Casey:
So here’s the thing. Facebook already bought something to put over your eyes.
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
What about the mouth, right? So the mouth is all on the table and so is the penis, I feel like.
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
So Facebook is super interested in this, there’s no question. Teledildonics, Facebook’s all up in there and I mean that literally.
Jeff:
Right. Well, it’s just the next social frontier.
Casey:
The next social frontier. I mean, what’s more social than fucking?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Socially, that’s what it’s all about anyway.
Jeff:
And we really have not even explored that except through minor non-virtual hookups…
Casey:
That’s correct.
Jeff:
Like with Grinder…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Tinder, these kinds of things…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
We need to go the next step and they know it’s either that or they’re gonna have to buy one of these…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
They’ll have to buy Grinder for 16 billion Dollars.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
It’s much cheaper to invest, like, go to the next thing…
Casey:
Exactly.
Jeff:
Walk that up. And then when the industry gets there, they’ve locked it down.
Casey:
Well, I think… So, I mean, if I may, I assume what’s going to happen if we are following the template…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Is basically, you know, right now… And I mean, this almost seems definitely true… I don’t have any personal… I mean, I have friends at [inaudible 30:10] but I don’t have any personal inside information.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
You know, I strongly suspect that there is a masturbation product, [ skunk works ] project there…
Jeff:
Oh.
Casey:
That has probably gotten a lot further.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And much like the Facebook… Much like the Oculus scenario…
Jeff:
Yeah, I know that.
Casey:
Probably what will happen is the shady head of Autoblow… The shady head of the Autoblow corporation…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Will probably sort of be in bed a little bit, let’s say, with that [inaudible 30:42] project, convince them to take that technology…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
To give it to them because hey, “We’re all in the same tier. We’re just trying to blow people here. We’re all trying to blow…”
Jeff:
“We’re trying to build an environment where we’re all getting blown.”
Casey:
“Where we’re all getting blown…”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Right? Use that technology, that external technology…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
To score the deal ‘cos Zuckerberg comes in and they blow him for, like, 25 minutes. It’s the perfect [inaudible 31:04] blow. He’s loving, it, right, because you know he’s into it.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I mean, Facebook’s like the bro company to end all bro companies as far as I know.
Jeff:
Yeah, totally.
Casey:
Right? As far as [inaudible 31:13] Anyway, he’s loving it. So they get the deal, right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And then they turn it around and they hire all the masturbation technologists away from…
Jeff:
From [inaudible 31:21]
Casey:
Away from [inaudible 31:22]
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That’s what happens. You see how it goes, right?
Jeff:
So Autoblow uses the [inaudible 31:26] technology.
Casey:
It’s perfect.
Jeff:
Get acquired…
Casey:
Yes, exactly.
Jeff:
Hires those same [inaudible 31:29] people…
Casey:
Exactly.
Jeff:
Creates it.
Casey:
Yep.
Jeff:
That’s amazing.
Casey:
That’s exactly what happens.
Jeff:
It’s so good for everybody…
Casey:
It’s perfect…
Jeff:
Except for [inaudible 31:36]
Casey:
No, it’s not good for anyone, really. It’s not good for anyone, really, because let’s face it, at the end of the day, the last thing that I want to do in the middle of getting blown is listen to a bunch of ads. I don’t want to be, like, right… You know, away from (to use the phrase from a previous one) a milky climax.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
I don’t want to be right next to my milky climax and suddenly it’s like, you know… I guess in this case it would be like, “Get 3 extra inches with this one weird trick.” I don’t want to hear that in the middle of my sexual replication.
Jeff:
If it’s Facebook, it’s gonna be like, you know, “Meet singles in your area”. And you’re like, “If I could meet singles in my area, this device…”
Casey:
No, okay. Alright, I’m gonna stop you right there.
Jeff:
You’ve got a better ad?
Casey:
No. That is one of my all-time pet peeves.
Jeff:
Tell me.
Casey:
That is one of my all-time pet peeves is the pervasive notion that for some reason, people are masturbating because they can’t be having sex.
Jeff:
Oh, I see. You’re saying…
Casey:
In my mind, that is almost universally untrue.
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
I am never masturbating because I don’t think sex would be accessible at this time.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I am masturbating because I don’t want to fucking deal with that shit.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Like, masturbation is about efficiency.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s about me getting some shit done that needs to get done now, right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I don’t want to bring in… I don’t want to make this a multi-body problem, okay? I’m not looking to complicate matters, alright?
Jeff:
You’re saying it is really somebody being efficient, not lonely?
Casey:
No, I’m just saying they’re different things.
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
You may also be lonely, okay.
Jeff:
Yeah, sure.
Casey:
You may be lonely.
Jeff:
It’s an [inaudible 33:15] access.
Casey:
But they are not related…
Jeff:
Right, I see…
Casey:
Okay? When I sit down to masturbate, it’s not because I’m thinking longingly about having sex with someone and not doing it.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
No.
Jeff:
Right. You have to do this because it has to be done.
Casey:
Right, yeah. Exactly. Yes, exactly.
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
This is like if I’m going out to the well and I’m dropping the bucket down there…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Right? I don’t need Coca Cola coming up to me and going like, “You could have a soda.” It’s like, “No. I… This is the efficient way that I hydrate my fucking self every day because it needs to happen.”
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
“If I wanted a soda, I’d go fucking buy one. It’s not how this works.”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
They are not things… They are not replacements for each other. They are complementary.
Jeff:
I totally agree with you.
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
I will say that given Facebook’s normal ad serving…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Which seems to be that of somebody completely, like, [inaudible 34:10] the ads the show up.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Because the ones that show up are so, like… “Do you need farming equipment?” Nope. Never have. Like, F5… It’s like, “Here’s where you get old-timey calculators.” Why is that? F5. Nothing to do… Like, Google at least, when it comes up, you’re like, “Oh, I see what they did here.”
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Right? They know…
Casey:
Right. It’s scary actually.
Jeff:
Facebook… No…
Casey:
Facebook never scares me. They don’t scare you. That’s what you can say. Their incompetence makes you feel a little safer.
Jeff:
Yes, exactly.
Casey:
Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I just wanted to clear up that little issue there, right.
Jeff:
Yep, yep, yep…
Casey:
So there’s really 2 problems that are hypothetical. One, in my opinion, it’s ill-conceived meaning those are not things that are related. Two, Facebook would never fucking figure that out. Even if the Autoblow is sending back a fucking signature on the browser that says, “I am blowing myself right now…”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It probably still wouldn’t be able to serve you ads that targeted. They probably fuck up in the middle of their janky ass fucking my sequel disaster…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And it would come back with some totally unrelated ad like “Mothers’ Day is coming up” and you’re like, “Whoa! Stop turn it off!”
Jeff:
“No! That’s exactly what I didn’t need to hear.”
Casey:
“Turn it off.” Yeah, exactly.
Jeff:
Yeah, “It’s your grandma’s birthday.” “No, what is…”
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
Or a chat would come up. Like, you have it on, it’s like… And it’s like… Hey, it’s your boss and he’s like… Wait, no. And I thought it was logged out.
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
That is what would happen on Facebook because they can’t do anything ever as far as I can…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Like, they are basically totally out to lunch all the time, probably ‘cos they’re too fucking drunk on beer pong…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Or whatever the hell else it is they do there. Point being, I think I want to go back because we’ve covered this now. I hope you’ve finished. But I would like to go back to something that you said that I would like to…
Jeff:
The budget?
Casey:
Correct. So your point was basically $45,000 isn’t enough to do a quality job on the Autoblow. That was your thing, right? And I’ve talked about this on the podcast before, I believe…
Jeff:
I will just say one thing about that.
Casey:
Hit me.
Jeff:
Remember that $45,000…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Is only ten hours of blowjobs from that one girl that was charging…
Casey:
Oh, right, Eliot Spitzer….
Jeff:
That’s only ten hours from…
Casey:
The “Girls Gone Wild” girl…
Jeff:
That high end girl.
Casey:
That’s right.
Jeff:
It doesn’t seem like ten hours necessarily equivalently explodes into a product…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
But continue.
Casey:
So I agree that the motion capture session with her would have been expensive. But that wasn’t promised here.
Jeff:
No, that’s true.
Casey:
That could’ve been a separate thing. They might crowdfund that later.
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
I’m talking about the D&E. I'm talking about design, the engineering… The R&D, even, as I'd say…
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
So I think $45,000 is plenty. In fact, I think it’s way more than they probably actually needed to engineer this device. They just probably wanted to pick a number that would give them confidence that bringing this product to market would meet with success because why go through the trouble if it’s not gonna meet with success.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
I think I’ve talked about this on the podcast before. I can’t quite remember, though. And what I think is at play here is what I would like to call the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition Principle or Effect.
Jeff:
Okay. Alright.
Casey:
So here’s the thing. I would say that despite however much people may feign sort of revulsion or skepticism at the concept of having an automated masturbation device…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Most guys would be like, “Yeah, let’s do this.” More ways to masturbate is always good.
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
Guys are not usually like, “You know what, I’m really conservative with how I’m gonna ever try to masturbate.” They’re usually not like, “Oh, I’m gonna, like… I’m only ever gonna do the absolute bare minimum experimentation with my masturbation.” Like, “It’s just not a thing that I spend time on.”
Jeff:
Yeah. Right.
Casey:
It’s like, no. Most guys would be like, “Yeah, that sounds good. I wouldn’t even have to do any work and masturbation would occur? This sounds good to me.”
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
Right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
But nobody wants to say that. Nobody wants to be the guy who admits that they were willing to stick their dick into this janky ass contraption.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Alright?
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
So you have what I would consider basically a cognitive gap to cross. Guys, if left to their own devices, probably would stick their dick in here. But nobody wants to be the guy who’s gonna stick their dick in here.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
Alright?
Jeff:
Wait, the first guy… You’re saying they just don’t want to…
Casey:
They don’t want to be known as the guy…
Jeff:
Right, right…
Casey:
As a guy…
Jeff:
But if one was delivered to them, [ it was freely ]…
Casey:
But if it can magically happen in a way…
Jeff:
It would happen…
Casey:
Right? You know what I’m saying?
Jeff:
Okay. Sure.
Casey:
You can substitute in this Autoblow thing for whatever kinky sex act…
Jeff:
Sure.
Casey:
Happens to appeal to you…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Whoever you are out there.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Something that maybe you think you might want to do but you’re probably actually not gonna do because you don’t really want to go through the process of doing it and being associated with it…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
If anyone finds out… Or even in your own head…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Like, let’s say putting other people aside…
Jeff:
Oh, yeah, yeah. Just dealing with the psychological aftermath…
Casey:
The psychological aftermath…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You don’t want to be the guy who fucking placed an order for an Autoblow.
Jeff:
Okay. I’m with you.
Casey:
So that’s what I think it going on in here. And what I think is true about this Indiegogo campaign and the $45,000 R&D budget or whatever the fuck the $45,000 is for… I don’t know what it’s for but let’s say it’s for development. What I think is going on here is we’re basically seeing a lot of opportunities for crossing that gap. Thing # 1 — Crowdfunding something is not the same as saying you’re using it.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
It has a Sports Illustrated effect of, “I didn’t buy an Autoblow. I contributed to the development of the Autoblow and, oops, they hit their stretch goals so the mouthpiece came with it or whatever the fuck.”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
“I got something as a backer. I didn’t buy an Autoblow. I crowdfunded this campaign for a sex device because I think sex is important and people should… Blablabla…”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Whatever the fuck you’re saying, “It’s not for me. I never used it.” There’s all kinds of explanations, however tenuous and completely unbelievable that you can bring to bear when you didn’t go find the website and buy the thing.
Jeff:
Alright.
Casey:
So $250,000 of people with a plausible excuse, thing 1.
Jeff:
Okay. I can see a plausible excuse. It seems to be a lot of apparatus to do that. But continue…
Casey:
I’m just saying…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Thing 2, okay, is that the people who work on this would have the same gap, right? It’d be like, “Hey, man, I don’t really want to be the guy who sticks his dick in the mechanical contraption. But I needed to for work.”
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
“I was in charge of developing this Autoblow device,” you know, whatever the fuck. So I think you can get most people at a discount.
Jeff:
Oh, I see.
Casey:
I think you’re gonna be able to rope into this because they’re kind of interested in developing their own awesome Autoblow.
Jeff:
Maybe… So what you’re saying is they get those people at a discount unlike…
Casey:
Oh, yeah…
Jeff:
Yeah, okay. I see. I see. Right.
Casey:
Think of it this way… Think of it in your head this way. Can you imagine there being mechanical engineers out there who kind of want to make a thing that jerks them off?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Can you imagine that? Can you imagine that existing? I’m hoping that you can because I think we probably all know that it’s true. Those people may not want to try to go to a lab or go to a manufacturer and be like, “Hey, man. Are you gonna help me build my dick jerk-off device or whatever?”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
But if suddenly, someone comes along and is like, “I will pay you this nominal below market salary to work on the jerk-off device,” yes, a bunch of people who don’t care about jerk-ff devices are going, “No, what the fuck. Go away. I work…” But other people may be like, “Oh, yeah. That sounds good. I mean… Uh… Oh, well, yeah. I guess I’ll do it.”
Jeff:
I would say that is…
Casey:
Do you see what I’m saying?
Jeff:
But we do have evidence for the contrary?
Casey:
What’s the evidence for the contrary?
Jeff:
Where you hear all the people who are so excited to be working on virtual reality. And it is the future. It is the final future. It is what I want to work on.
Casey:
Alright.
Jeff:
They are working at their companies just fine until they are given the offer of 3 million Dollars from Facebook is what took them to make that decision.
Casey:
But this is totally different.
Jeff:
What I just see… I feel like…
Casey:
This is totally different.
Jeff:
I feel like quality costs always.
Casey:
No, no, no. That’s because… So it’s about total cost. This is why I say it’s a Sports Illustrated effect, right?
Jeff:
You’re saying because of the…
Casey:
It’s about total cost. There is no… Like, they’re in a situation where they’re working on virtual reality…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
And now, they’re just working on virtual reality with more money. Right? I mean, this is totally… That has nothing… There’s no contrary thing in there to what I’m saying.
Jeff:
Well… But the contrary thing is Facebook acquisition pre-imposed, right?
Casey:
Fill me in. I don’t get where you’re going.
Jeff:
Pre, they have random people, a couple ones that are good. Most of the people are shit.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Post-acquisition, when they’re offering these 3 million Dollar signing bonuses with the Facebook money, they get a whole bunch of people, right? It’s clearly money-motivated.
Casey:
Sure.
Jeff:
So what I’m trying to say is…
Casey:
I don’t disagree with any of that.
Jeff:
Okay. But the spin on all this is always like, “Oh, I want to work on virtual reality.”
Casey:
But these are 2 different things. You are conflating someone making up a bullshit story a t wanting to work on virtual reality which isn’t true…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
As a thing they use to rationalize taking a bunch of money.
Jeff:
Oh, I see. You’re saying with this one, they want to do…
Casey:
Right? I’m saying it’s the reverse.
Jeff:
I understand.
Casey:
“I want to make a jerk-off device and there’s no way that I can work on that. And I can’t even admit to my fucking friends that I want to do it.”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
“But if someone comes along and gives me the opportunity to work on it, I will take a pay cut because that’s what I’m trying to do and there’s nowhere else I can do it.”
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
It’s a cover. It’s the cover story, right?
Jeff:
I see. That’s possible.
Casey:
It’s the sheath, if you will…
Jeff:
It’s the sheath around…
Casey:
That you insert your job into.
Jeff:
Right. I can see that. It feels a little tenuous to me. But then again, I don’t know about… I’ve never known someone who’s wanted to work on something that is socially unacceptable. So I can see that being possible.
Casey:
Yeah. It’s very socially unacceptable, right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And I feel like you can definitely get a discount for people who want to make this thing, right? Because you are not going to have… Nobody… You have no competition…
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
Is I guess what I’m saying. Right? You don’t have another… You don’t have Facebook out there offering 3 million signing bonuses to someone to blow you. You know, make a blowing device…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That’s not on the table.
Jeff:
You take the 45…
Casey:
So you’re the only game in town, right?
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
Right? You’re the only game in town. It’s a cover story.
Jeff:
Until they get… Until these people get acquired.
Casey:
Which obviously, they will.
Jeff:
Yeah. Of course. I mean, I don’t…
Casey:
Teledildonics has to happen.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
VR blowing is the future.
Jeff:
Let’s go into the second device.
Casey:
Okay. So the second device… Well, which do you mean? There’s actually multiple devices. So I don’t know which of the devices…
Jeff:
There’s the combo device.
Casey:
Okay. So you want to segue… You want to use the Facebook Oculus to segue into… Alright.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
So here we go. Okay. The segue there is there is a… Alright. I guess I don’t know everything about this because it was a little complicated and I read it a while ago. So I’ve kind of forgotten some of the salient details. It’s been a long time since this was sent in to us, unfortunately, ‘cos one thing we should mention…
Jeff:
The saline details?
Casey:
Salient.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
Not saline.
Jeff:
I just wanted to know how salty we’re talking.
Casey:
So there was a long gap because Jeff was away for a long time. So people sent this in, like, 6 weeks ago.
Jeff:
Oh, okay.
Casey:
So I don’t remember all of the details about these articles, unfortunately.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Okay. So there was a… I believe on Twitter, I want to say, when people started sending in the Autoblow 2 because a lot of people sent it in on email, people mentioned it on Twitter to me because people wanted us to cover it because they know it’s our wheelhouse.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Now, I think I said something like exactly what we said with Facebook. I think I made some jokes on Twitter about the whole, like, “Oh, this is like an Oculus Rift thing. They’ve just got to synchronize it up, whatever…”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And I think it was actually an Oculus employee… I think it was Tom who was like, “Oh, they’ve already got that covered.”
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Right? Which to me, makes perfect sense because in my experience, porn is always the first in. like, when you have a new media, porn is always the first to embrace it.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And I don’t really know why that’s true. I’ve never really stopped to wonder about that. I just know that I read things in the past where, like…
Jeff:
Well, I think I know why that is.
Casey:
Why?
Jeff:
Well, because there’s not much differentiation within porn. Like…
Casey:
Okay. So you’re saying it’s like a way they can have a selling point for a limited time…
Jeff:
They have a…
Casey:
They have a window…
Jeff:
They will jump on any new thing because you have a slight window in which you have all the sales. And then literally, 6 months later…
Casey:
Oh, okay. It’s gone and everyone’s seen it…
Jeff:
Never… All that stuff is just downloadable for free off the net.
Casey:
Okay. So I don’t know why… You know, maybe that’s true, whatever it is. I just know that I’ve read, actually, before, things about… Historically…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You know, before I was born, how they were talking about mediums over the ages. As soon as you get one, porn’s on it immediately. So you know, it doesn’t matter if it was something like the VHS tape, right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It was like, porn first, then movies. And partially, I think it’s probably something… What you’re saying… But I think part of it also has to do with the fact that…
Jeff:
There’s also less risk for porn. Like, putting it out on new media that might destroy their own industry doesn’t scare them in the sense that, like, putting out movies on VHS scared movie… You know, because they’re like, that would be the end, everyone just copies the tapes and all that horseshit.
Casey:
So I think you’re totally right about that, I would [ definitely say that. ] But the other thing I was gonna say is the IP story is a lot different in porn.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Right? So I mean… I don’t want to step on anyone’s toes here…
Jeff:
The intellectual property, not IP-ing like… Let’s be clear.
Casey:
Right. Sorry. I don’t want to step on anyone’s toes but I’m just guessing that, you know, “Come Bun 7” versus “Ass Masters 3” or whatever… Yes, there may be some loyal followings out there.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s not the same as “The Lion King”.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s not the same as “Star Wars” where you have to go and say, “We have this IP portfolio…”
Jeff:
“Star Whores?”
Casey:
Star Wars.
Jeff:
Oh, right.
Casey:
So it’s not the same as saying, “We have this IP portfolio…”
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
Right? And there’s a bunch of executives, dumb as they are, sitting around, worrying all the time about how to make moves that maximize the value of that IP. You can see those board meetings making decisions about whether to go into VHS or not, will that cannibalize our existing sales or whatever you were saying, right? So I feel like there’s all this friction…
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
If I may…
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
There’s friction there…
Jeff:
I agree with that.
Casey:
With going into a new market. And with porn, because there isn’t this established IP portfolio, they’re just like, “I don’t fucking care. Yeah. ‘Come Buns 7’ can be on VHS. What the hell. We don’t care. We don’t know…” And we don’t see any reason why it’s gonna dilute our sales of “Come Buns 3” or anything else.
Jeff:
Sure.
Casey:
So I’m assuming that that’s the case. I love using “Come Buns 3”. I think it’s from “Clerks”.
Jeff:
Oh, is it? Okay.
Casey:
There’s a scene in “Clerks” where he reads off, like, all these titles in front of a little girl…
Jeff:
Alright.
Casey:
He’s ordering them for the distributor. For some reason, I’m pretty sure “Come Buns 3” is in there and I always remember it because it’s so weird like, come… Alright… Because it’s one of those things that doesn’t even have a pun. It’s just…
Jeff:
Right. Yeah, it’s just what they did…
Casey:
It’s not clever. It’s just the thing. Anyway, getting back to the original topic at hand, with the Oculus Rift, the obvious question is how do we extend the virtual experience of sex? We are trying to put you in this world where you will actually experience the sex. So we have a number of things we want to do. We want, you know, like, haptics for your hands so you can feel the sex.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You know, probing or whatever…
Jeff:
Which is the thing that a lot of people don’t think about in VR. And as soon as you have good VR…
Casey:
It’s a problem in VR, for all the things, too. Yeah, it’s a problem.
Jeff:
That’s exactly what you notice. Once it’s good and you look down and you don’t see yourself, it feels very odd. And the first thing almost everyone does on the [inaudible 50:27] simulator, which is the good one, is they move their hands and then nothing happens, right?
Casey:
But that’s not haptics. Haptics is feedback, but yeah…
Jeff:
No, no. I understand but I mean, it’s part of… Being in VR doesn’t mean there’s a representation of yourself which is an important part of porn.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
But it’s also an important part of VR itself.
Casey:
Right, right, right. Yes.
Jeff:
And reacting to you not just in the sense of you move your head but what’s happening with the rest of your body.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
So basically, these sorts of things have to get added to the sexual experience if you’re trying to go for a realistic sexual experience much like there’s a bunch of things that happen with the gaming experience that you have to add in order to make it an authentic gaming experience.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
If your goal is to be like, realistically immersed…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You don’t want all of these things that are gonna take you out of that experience. So obviously, the Autoblow and its ilk are kind of right up there. And the things you would need in the secual experience for guys, certainly…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And you’d have a corresponding one that you would need for female but it would be differently designed, obviously. So there is a company that’s all in on this front.
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
And that company is called Tenga. It says here, “Tenga is a Japanese manufacturer of disposable male sex toys.”
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
“They make cylindrical “masturbation aids” that somehow don’t seem as repulsive as the Fleshlight…” Now, the Fleshlight was also something [inaudible 51:46]
Jeff:
They’re disposable. It’s like, you do your business…
Casey:
And you’re done.
Jeff:
And you throw them away. Okay. I feel like I’d find those all over the place after a Pride Parade. Like, there’s just so many… In Japan…
Casey:
Perhaps mostly because… I don’t think they have Pride Parades that much in Japan.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
Gay acceptance is not as high…
Jeff:
You were just joking about that… I mean, the Pride Parade ones today…
Casey:
Today, there’s a Pride Parade today in Seattle…
Jeff:
So we looked out and watch all the parade go.
Casey:
“They’re also promoting a jerry-rigged amalgam of software and robotics that’s easily the closest you can come to having physical sex with the videogame. At a tech conference last fall, Tenga unveiled a crude contraption that allowed volunteers to participate in a simulation wherein they received sexual favors from an anime character through virtual reality goggles.”
Jeff:
Hold please.
Casey:
Holding.
Jeff:
At a conference?
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
So they had… Just to be clear, they had some sort of curtain up, hopefully.
Casey:
I don’t want to know about that.
Jeff:
You go behind the curtain. You use the disposable machine and then hit play?
Casey:
So, I don’t know about that. We can only hope that the article contains more details. Like I said, I’d forgotten most of the specifics here. So I’m just trying to recover what the stuff was. I missed the sentence… “Since then, they’ve updated the software and the graphics of the simulator, and are continuing to promote robot-assisted virtual sex.”
Jeff:
Well, here’s one thing I always hate about robot-assisted virtual sex…
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
Is that the programmers focus so much on graphical quality that everything else suffers. Like…
Casey:
The game play?
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
You’re worried about the game play?
Jeff:
Who focuses… I mean, we spend all these transistors, all this processing power to make the graphics better.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Doesn’t affect the sexual experience for me.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
I mean, yes, it’s clear but like, I want to see more with the AI.
Casey:
Right. Yeah.
Jeff:
I want to see more.
Casey:
That’s true.
Jeff:
Certainly sound gets the short shift and all that stuff.
Casey:
Yeah. Well, I see what you’re saying and I think nothing could be further from the truth. I mean, that is why I think we’ve seen this resurgence in [ rogue-like ] design because one of the big problems with the AAA sex games is you always finish.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
You always finish.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And if there’s no question about whether you will climax…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That’s not… Nothing’s on the line.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Okay? Nothing’s on the line. I want to go into a sexual experience not knowing whether it’s going to come out.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I don’t want to have a guarantee of sexual fulfillment.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I need something on the line.
Jeff:
Automatic difficulty settings are always the worst.
Casey:
Oh, it’s terrible. I don’t want that. I don’t want automatic difficulty [ adjusted ]. I don’t want keep [inaudible 54:11]
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Yeah. I don’t want [inaudible 54:13] I want to know that there’s going to be a challenged involved in this. Right?
Jeff:
Exactly.
Casey:
One in every 10 times maybe. Let’s make it hard. Let’s make it hard to finish.
Jeff:
Right. A thousand and one penises.
Casey:
That’s right. [inaudible 54:26] and a thousand and one penises.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That’s exactly right.
Jeff:
Very hard.
Casey:
Yes. Very, very hard. In fact, a lot of people don’t even make it past the first level.
Jeff:
That’s right.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
You just play it over and over again.
Casey:
That’s totally true.
Jeff:
Okay. So it sounds like this is just one of those [ grabbed-off-the-shelf ] shit. Is this actually using an Oculus or one of the wacky…
Casey:
Oh, it’s actually an Oculus.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
It’s an Oculus.
Jeff:
That’s… Oculus 1, I assume, since the 2 is not out. So you’re gonna get the whole nausea part and a whole different fetish happening…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Nauseous sex.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
So the only thing that I don’t understand… And I guess…
Jeff:
Because you know that’s simulation’s running at 90+ frames per second.
Casey:
Oh, no…
Jeff:
You know that this program…
Casey:
No, it isn’t. So here’s my confusion. I mean, I understand the idea of the product. It all makes perfect sense to me. I’m not confused about that one. What I’m confused about is the screenshot.
Jeff:
Oh.
Casey:
So in my mind, when I think of, “Alright, Casey, we need you to go make the virtual sex thing,” right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I’m thinking, “Okay. I need to go work some artists, make some hotties or whatever the fuck,” right? We’re gonna try and get the animation really good and, like, skin rendering needs to be really good. We’re doing all this stuff. We get that going. And then, we’re gonna have basically, like, draw you and your cock, right? Maybe if we’re really fancy, we’ve got sensors on the thing that will detect how hard you are and we draw that in there. And then you go into town and it’s all great. I would not have thought that the device that you stick your cock into would be featured in the VR world. I would not have thought that you would want that drawn.
Jeff:
Wait. What? They actually draw…
Casey:
What they actually have in the screenshot is the actual device drawn where you would stick it.
Jeff:
That is amazing.
Casey:
So there’s a girl bending over like you were going to come at her from behind. But instead of you coming at her from behind…
Jeff:
I never saw this.
Casey:
In between the two of you is the device. So they actually drew a virtual version of the machine that you’re sticking your penis into…
Jeff:
That is amazing.
Casey:
Instead making you pretend that you were sticking it into her.
Jeff:
Well, you know, when I play Call of Duty, I like when they draw the controller on the gun so like, when I…
Casey:
Oh, wait. This is a tutorial.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
You’re doing it wrong and you have to pop up the tutorial showing you what to do with your penis.
Jeff:
What is this thing? It looks like a Portal robot stuck on the thing. What is that?
Casey:
It does.
Jeff:
Is that a camera? What is that thing?
Casey:
Aperture science.
Jeff:
It is, yeah.
Casey:
We do what we must because we can.
Jeff:
It looks like a Portal robot.
Casey:
It really does.
Jeff:
There’s a dude leaning into it.
Casey:
No, it looks exactly like something from Portal. It looks exactly like something from Portal.
Jeff:
It so looks like the little white and blue…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
[inaudible 57:14] That’s what they need.
Casey:
So here’s the thing. They should definitely have a gun that you can shoot at the wall or something. And you stick your penis in one of them and it comes out the other. That… Like, that’s just fun even with no sex involved.
Jeff:
Exactly.
Casey:
If you can do that… If I could have my penis go into something and it comes out the other thing, I’d just do that. Like, the hell with climax. The hell with the virtual female. That alone, I think… Guys love to do that kind of motion. I mean, go watch the beginning of “Happy Gilmore”. That’s a thing. So I feel like at some level…
Jeff:
That’s awesome.
Casey:
Being able to do Portal… Portal penis…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Is absolutely a totally valid application of this device.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
In fact, I would say… You know what, I’m not even gonna… This is not even speculative. I am going to talk to Doug tomorrow. I was supposed to have lunch with Doug tomorrow, actually.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
I am going to ask him how hard it would be for us to take one of the motion sensors and strap it on like a strap-on.
Jeff:
[ Oh, to a thrust. ]
Casey:
And then just render Portal that… So it just… So you can do that. So you can thrust and there’s a thing… It doesn’t have to actually be a penis. It can just be anything. And you can thrust it through and have it come out the other side.
Jeff:
I see. Right.
Casey:
Right?
Jeff:
That’s what you want.
Casey:
Yeah. This needs to be added to the suite of applications that they use for the demo, I think, absolutely, no questions. That’s gotta happen. That’s gotta happen. That’s a must-have.
Jeff:
That’s pretty janky-looking. Let’s skip to the next one because that one… You know, these people that take off the… They aren’t building their own hardware (they’re, like, taking off-the-shelf stuff), it never is interesting.
Casey:
How is that off-the-shelf? That looks pretty custom to me.
Jeff:
Well, I assumed that the… Well, the Oculus, obviously but…
Casey:
Well, the Oculus, yes. But…
Jeff:
I don’t know what this is. I don’t know how this is disposable at all.
Casey:
No, this is a company that used to… Like… Or not used to. This is a company that makes disposable sex toys.
Jeff:
Oh, I see.
Casey:
They are branching out into this part. This is not a disposable sex toy as far as I know.
Jeff:
Can you explain to me why this goes this way when it seems like he’s entering this way? Why is that…
Casey:
I feel like this is a neutral… Oops… I feel like that’s actually in a neutral position, Jeff. I feel like it is possible… Oh, well, you could see it here. It’s for a seated position.
Jeff:
Oh, I see.
Casey:
There you go. Hopefully, I’ve illustrated to you about how this works.
Jeff:
Yeah. Okay, that’s terrible.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Terrible.
Casey:
I like how they…
Jeff:
It’s true. You’re right because if you have the Oculus on, you can’t be stumbling around bumping into everything. Right.
Casey:
No, you can’t. No. Yeah.
Jeff:
Alright.
Casey:
Like, [inaudible 59:47]
Jeff:
Yeah, exactly.
Casey:
So here’s the interesting thing I realized, too, about… This is great.
Jeff:
You’re in grandma’s room.
Casey:
This is great.
Jeff:
What happened?
Casey:
So normally, right, if you have a conference where people are sticking their dick into a robot, when you show the press photos of that, normally what you would do is you’d have to block out the face. But they have an Oculus Rift. There’s already a black bar covering exactly the area that you would normally cover to preserve your anonymity.
Jeff:
That’s true.
Casey:
It’s like the whole thing just works.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
This is the first application of the Oculus Rift that actually makes sense to me.
Jeff:
Makes any sense?
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
It all just works.
Jeff:
Yeah. Alright.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Let’s finish off… We’re going to plough through, if you will…
Casey:
Okay. Alright, if you will…
Jeff:
All of these stories to get them off the stupid to-do list.
Casey:
Alright. So there’s one that you brought up…
Jeff:
Oh, that I saw just today? Yeah.
Casey:
When we were talking about the sex toys in preparation.
Jeff:
This came up today or something.
Casey:
Yeah. So the final thing… I mean, there’s probably a lot more out there that we probably should be covering but most people only sent us those two things. So this one is one that you saw.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
We had covered a thing, and I mentioned this just moments ago. We had covered an Autoblow competitor/companion… I don’t know how these people see themselves.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
I don’t feel like there’s a lot of competition in this place. I feel like they’re all working together…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
To make the world a more sexually gratifying place.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That said, the flesh…
Jeff:
A more sticky place.
Casey:
Yes, a more… Yeah, I don’t know. Forget it. It’s not even…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
The Fleshlight…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Which was another one we covered I think because we covered the Autoblow and people wrote in about the Fleshlight or we… [inaudible 61:28] Autoblow… I don’t remember. But point being, we had covered this in a previous podcast because somebody sent in that, as well. They had gotten into the act, as well. They’d gotten into the modern… The working with other peripherals act…
Jeff:
Oh, okay.
Casey:
They have come… Come…
Jeff:
Stop it.
Casey:
If you will… To play with that, as well, much like the Tenga people are going like, “Oh, Oculus Rift. There’s some synergy here.” The Fleshlight people found some synergy, as well. I can’t say I really see the synergy but they see the synergy.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And what that is is it is a case for your iPad…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Which sort of cases the iPad and the Autoblow into one sort of penis-sheathing device that has a fucking iPad stuck to it. There’s no other way to describe it.
Jeff:
What it kinda looks like to me…
Casey:
Alright.
Jeff:
So the Fleshlight looks like a cylindrical little device.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
And the case is iPad case on one side and it has these little hinges…
Casey:
Clamps, cylindrical clamps…
Jeff:
It kind of looks like… You know those hats that have the beers on each side that has the… That goes down…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
The clamps look like the clamps that would hold a beer can or something.
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
You snap that in…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
On to the back of the iPad…
Casey:
Yep.
Jeff:
So when they say that their synergy is like when somebody says, you know, “Our speakers are iPad compatible.”
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Meaning, you can plug in a standard headphone jack in…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
That’s the limit of their compatibility.
Casey:
Right. Yeah.
Jeff:
So in their compatibility, really, just the back is the shape of an iPad.
Casey:
That’s basically it.
Jeff:
Now, what they claim…
Casey:
Or it’s the front in this case. It’s actually facing you.
Jeff:
Right. And so, you mount the Fleshlight.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
And then the iPad is facing up to you.
Casey:
Right, that’s correct.
Jeff:
And they say, “This is great…”
Casey:
For FaceTime.
Jeff:
For FaceTime.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
And just to be clear, this is like, not your face. This is not looking at the cock. It’s just the cock’s point of view.
Casey:
Right, the cock’s eye view.
Jeff:
This is what your cock sees every time you masturbate…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Is an upshot of your nose and your chin and your weird face you make. That’s what you’re gonna FaceTime to your girl.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Right? And so…
Casey:
Or guy…
Jeff:
Yeah. I’m just saying. That’s what they’re imagining is going to be arousing.
Casey:
Hold on. So 2 things about that…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
’Cos you’re making an assumption here. One is we need to point out before we go any further that the Fleshlight, obviously, is a mechanical masturbation device just like the Autoblow which means that when it is activated, this thing is going to vibrate. There’s going to be a Newtonian response…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
An equal and opposite response… It cannot masturbate you without basically moving the iPad, right?
Jeff:
Wait. There’s something important there.
Casey:
Okay. Yeah?
Jeff:
The Autoblow…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
You can go see it on the Kickstarter…
Casey:
The mechanism?
Jeff:
The mechanism, the Autoblow moves up and down.
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
The Fleshlight is not that.
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
The Fleshlight, you move it up and down on you.
Casey:
Wait. What?
Jeff:
It is not… All it is is a vibrator with a gap that you can [ plug ] into. So just to be clear…
Casey:
Okay. So it’s gonna be a lot of… There’s a lot of motion.
Jeff:
So the view is gonna be of your head, ceiling, head, ceiling, head, ceiling…
Casey:
Right, head, ceiling, head, ceiling, yeah…
Jeff:
It’s gonna be the worst.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Out of focus ‘cos the autofocus is struggling to keep up with this massive thing…
Casey:
Right. So, okay, so that’s assumption number one that I’m glad we got cleared up. I hadn’t even realized that because I didn’t… I guess I didn’t read this. I mean, in fact, [inaudible 65:11] I haven’t read it.
Jeff:
But I assume that’s how they still are. I’m sure that Autoblow has patented all of their… Because they don’t want people stealing…
Casey:
There might be cross-licensing, though.
Jeff:
That’s true.
Casey:
There may have been some things that the Fleshlight did that the Autoblow…
Jeff:
But you want to be able to market.
Casey:
Yeah. So here’s the thing, though, that I think would make the market turgid. So I think the thing that you are forgetting is that the article simply said it would be good for FaceTime. They didn’t say it would be good for FaceTime virtual sex. So what they may mean is you’re right in the middle of using your Fleshlight and, oh, the phone rings. You don’t want to stop but you’ve got to answer that shit.
Jeff:
I see. You’ve got to deal with that.
Casey:
So I guess here’s my pro-tip to everyone out there — If you are seeing face, ceiling, face, ceiling, face, ceiling, and then someone’s like, “Hey, what’s going on?”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Hang up.
Jeff:
Yep.
Casey:
Hang up that call.
Jeff:
Hang up. You don’t want to know what’s happens at the end.
Casey:
Right? You don’t want to be around for the rest of that, okay? So I think what you want to do is just go, “If I have this perspective on some…” And to be clear, even if you’re not seeing face, ceiling, face, ceiling; you don’t want to be taking… You don’t want to be someone’s phone call that they took a break for.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
You don’t want to be like, stopping and be like, “Alright, let’s do…” Because they’re gonna be motivated to finish up. They don’t want… You know, that’s not gonna be quality conversation.
Jeff:
I don’t like when you’re having a conversation and people just pick up the phone and start texting to do 2 things at once.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
I think the same etiquette applies… Like, if you need to masturbate while you’re on a phone call with me…
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
Like, just go do that…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
And we’ll finish this conversation later.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
I don’t need you to do both at the same time.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Also, I’d say if you are a heavy person, you’re not even… That view’s not even clearing the stomach…
Casey:
That’s a problem. That’s a good point.
Jeff:
You’re just seeing this weird hump…
Casey:
So if I may… And I don’t want to bring body image politics into this.
Jeff:
No.
Casey:
But if I may, I feel like this may be a bit of a [ fattist ] product.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Where is the adjustable arm for the Fleshlight grip…
Jeff:
Right, exactly. To get over the…
Casey:
That allows it to get up, out, and out, away from the gut?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Where is that?
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Where is that attachment? It’s not there.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Right? They don’t offer a product for that segment of the market because they apparently feel that everyone should be able to see their own penis and, you know, who’s to say.
Jeff:
Right. Well, I would assume that, like, for some degree of the population, just FaceTiming with your penis is nice. Like, you have the iPad, you have the iPhone…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
You call the phone from your iPad. And then you’re like, “Hey, there you are.”
Casey:
Oh, yeah.
Jeff:
“I remember you.”
Casey:
Oh, yeah.
Jeff:
“You’re way down there now.”
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Yeah, so I can see that.
Casey:
Well, so here’s another thing, I guess, that…
Jeff:
I agree that you have a bit of a point.
Casey:
Yeah. We could also move on…
Jeff:
There’s probably an [ ADA ] suit that just is waiting to be filed…
Casey:
Oh, well, that’s absolutely true. So one thing that I was thinking just now, it kind of occurred to me, is I feel like this is definitely something that the Autoblow could have benefited from because since it has the USB port and stuff like this that can synchronize with the computer… I don’t know, maybe it has Bluetooth, you know, whatever… I feel like you may want to play your game on the iPad and while it’s… Okay. Alright. Here’s the concrete proposal.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Concrete proposal…
Jeff:
You’re playing Campus Life…
Casey:
Concrete proposal… The concrete proposal is basically imagine being able to touch the iPad… So you’re the multi-touch on the iPad.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And then have it translate into the Autoblow.
Jeff:
Oh, into the device. I see.
Casey:
This could be a major breakthrough for people who want to masturbate but find it icky.
Jeff:
Right. I see.
Casey:
Right? We’ve taken it… We’ve put in an intermediary, right?
Jeff:
I see… In between?
Casey:
Yes. We basically solved the hands-on problem…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Right? This is almost like the fume hood in chemistry. We’ve put in a barrier to overcome a certain corrosive problem…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
That we have. In this case, it’s psychological as opposed to actual but you see the point.
Jeff:
It’s like stilts for your hands.
Casey:
It’s exactly like stilts for your hands.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s hand stilts.
Jeff:
It’s hand stilts.
Casey:
Wait. Holy shit. And I just solved this… I solve the [ fattist ] problem, as well, for people who can’t get their hands down there because the fat’s in the way.
Jeff:
Stilts.
Casey:
This is the perfect solution. You put the Autoblow on there…
Jeff:
Oh, and then you keep the Pad up here…
Casey:
Kind of permanently, right?
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
’Cos you can’t…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I mean, if you can’t get down there, then you can’t get down there.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
But then, you can use the Pad.
Jeff:
Right. Just mount that on the wall thing.
Casey:
This is perfect.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Solving so many problems. The Jeff & Casey Show, solving problems for you.
Jeff:
Right. Yeah. The randomness of… The length people go here is pretty amazing. I think the funnier thing is for guys who really will go to any extents, really, to get off…
Casey:
Okay. Alright.
Jeff:
It’s funny that there is so… I mean, there’s ten products or whatever… Like, whatever the number there are… They seem to be novel at this point.
Casey:
Yeah, but I mean… I guess here’s the thing, just before you go any further on that whole rat hole, if you will, or whole in general… So one thing about this, though, that occurs to me is this particular product is a little bit different from the things we’ve been talking about. The Autoblow makes kind of sense.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
It’s a product that someone would develop if they wanted a masturbation assistant. It makes logical sense to look at it and go like, okay, that’s what you would design if someone was like, “I need something to masturbate somebody.”
Jeff:
This is like the robot… This is like the mop robot…
Casey:
This one’s really bizarre. Yeah, it’s like…
Jeff:
You put the FaceTime on the Roomba and it walks around.
Casey:
Well, but this… I’m just trying to put myself in the position of the person who came up with this. They were like, “I need a way to get my iPad down cock while I…” Like, I can’t even… I don’t even see the wheels, how they spun to end up here.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Like, in reality, if I’m actually being serious about this ,I don’t understand what problem they thought they were solving. I don’t know what problem they were having when this came to mind.
Jeff:
Right. That they couldn’t get otherwise.
Casey:
Just… I mean, just use a TV or whatever… Why… What was happening here? I don’t understand.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Like, I’m just gonna put it out there. I don’t understand. I want someone to explain to me the use case that… You know, necessity being the mother of invention, where was the necessity here?
Jeff:
Yeah. I can’t think of anything… I mean, you could imagine something like point of view porn or whatever, feeling more realistic. If what you’re looking at is right there, maybe. But other than that, I can see…
Casey:
Okay. Alright.
Jeff:
I feel like this is less of a reaction to…
Casey:
Alright. I see what you’re saying.
Jeff:
Customer demand and more of a “let’s attach our [ tels ] to a successful product to seem like we’re related to another success”.
Casey:
Okay. Alright.
Jeff:
I would assume it’s more like the headphone thing…
Casey:
Alright. So… Alright…
Jeff:
Where you’re like, “Oh, these headphones are [ iPad ]…”
Casey:
You solved the problem. You solved the problem. You solved it. So this is the poor man’s Oculus Rift. I want to look down and see sexual things happening. I don’t have virtual reality goggles. I do have an iPad.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
The solution is to stick a fucking iPad over the region that’s doing the fucking…
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
And now, we’ve solved the problem for a small segment of the… For a small steradian area of the problem, we have it “covered”, literally.
Jeff:
Yes, I’ve covered it. Yeah, I can’t see that. Alright.
Casey:
Thank you for clearing that up.
Jeff:
Oh, my God.
Casey:
You’ve done it.
Jeff:
Yeah, so that… Yeah…
Casey:
You want to go out on that? I feel like that’s a good place to go out. We’re at 72 minutes…
Jeff:
Yeah. I feel like…
Casey:
Probably a good place to just cut it off.
Jeff:
So here’s just a side little thing.
Casey:
Alright.
Jeff:
The original Autoblow…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
We talked about probably 6 years ago?
Casey:
Which I… I’d forgotten… It’s been a really long time.
Jeff:
We’ve been doing the podcast a long time. I think about 6 years.
Casey:
It probably was, like, 2009 or something. At this point, I’d forgotten what it did.
Jeff:
They really haven’t added a lot of robotics…
Casey:
No.
Jeff:
Since then…
Casey:
No.
Jeff:
There’s nothing there. Like, you could’ve imagined an alternate reality where they were popular enough to make a lot of other stuff.
Casey:
Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. Right, yeah. It’s like super advanced now.
Jeff:
But it doesn’t seem like that’s the case.
Casey:
Well, there’s another…
Jeff:
And it probably is the shame-based stuff…
Casey:
Well, maybe. There’s another explanation, too, I suppose…
Jeff:
Which is it’s good enough.
Casey:
That’s…
Jeff:
It’s enough.
Casey:
That’s what I was gonna say. So one problem with it may just be that guys just aren’t that demanding. They’re just like, “Yeah, that’s fine.”
Jeff:
Well, I would say…
Casey:
Totally takes care of it.
Jeff:
That is the point, to me, of these devices of, like, even… Okay, even in the side… The masturbating for like, “I need to do this so I can just think straight.”
Casey:
Okay.
Jeff:
Right? That’s just like…
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
The clean the pipes scenario of masturbation versus the actually, like, “I’m sexually aroused and what to come situation.”
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
All of that seems like so much more work than I would want for either situation.
Casey:
Yeah, okay.
Jeff:
You see what I’m saying? Like, both of those things, like… I don’t know. Maybe there are people that have very low imagination or visualization, like you hear those people that actually can’t visualize common things that you find out. So maybe they’re just not visualize-able and this just helps in that. But it just seems like, for guys… Like, for women, like, “Oh, you have a vibrator because that’s necessary.”
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Guys, for the most part… I just… All of this is like trapping.
Casey:
Alright. Okay. Now, I see where you’re going with that. And honestly, I don’t have a real good answer, I guess. So one thing that I could say, right…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Is that there definitely… The perspective that you are coming from…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Is a very utilitarian view on masturbation.
Jeff:
Yes.
Casey:
So the one thing I can possibly offer as a sort of reason why that might not be the end of it is because if you looked at it in a different way… Like, let’s make an analogy to wine.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
There’s no need for a bottle of wine that costs more than $15.
Jeff:
Ah, I see.
Casey:
Everyone I know who drinks wine basically says, “You can buy a $15-bottle of wine. It’s fine.”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
On the other hand…
Jeff:
So you’re on the “okay, finish” masturbation scenario?
Casey:
Yeah. So basically, what I’m thinking is you have masturbation aficionados.
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
Neither you nor I own an Autoblow which suggests to me that we probably do fall into the same category of… You know what, as I’m even saying this…
Jeff:
Yeah…
Casey:
This sounds really familiar. This sounds really familiar. I think you had this question before and I think I answered it with the same analogy before.
Jeff:
Okay. You came to the same analogy twice.
Casey:
I want to go… Okay. Hold on. I want to go back to the Jeff & Casey archives where we talked about these before.
Jeff:
Right now?
Casey:
No.
Jeff:
We’re gonna pause the show?
Casey:
No. I’m just saying, this one’s gonna happen after this, like this week or whatever.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
I want to go back and see if I did the same analogy.
Jeff:
Alright.
Casey:
The analogy I was gonna make was basically you’ve got wine aficionados and they are looking to have specific experiences, a variety of porn experiences, higher end porn experiences…
Jeff:
I see.
Casey:
And so, rather than looking at the Autoblow as, like, “Why couldn’t you just get off without it?” It’s not about that. It’s about this is another way I can get off when I am in the mood for this.
Jeff:
I see. The masturbation lifestyle.
Casey:
It’s a masturbation… So it’s like… Yeah, it’s like Wine Spectator Magazine.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It doesn’t just cover the serviceable wine I go get at happy hour.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s talking more about here are the ways in which you can enjoy wine. Here are the different wines you can enjoy. It’s a spectrum.
Jeff:
Right. I see.
Casey:
So I think the Autoblow is in that category.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
I don’t think it’s for people who are just looking to masturbate by the most efficient means necessary which may be where you and I are coming from it, which is why we don’t have them.
Jeff:
Right. I see. So yeah, these are people that are just looking for a new experience.
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
I see. Okay.
Casey:
Which I think is a totally valid way to look at it, right?
Jeff:
Okay. I could see that.
Casey:
If, you know, it took 20 years from now for some reason, I’m like, “This is not working for me anymore,” why not? Right? You’d do whatever the fuck… Like, you know, who knows? You’d be like, “Let’s try something different.” And this seems like a good way that you can expand that horizon, right?
Jeff:
I could see that… I feel like the part of performing in a masturbation scenario where it would work better when you’re strapping lots of equipment on before you can get started just doesn’t…
Casey:
So, okay…
Jeff:
I mean, I know a lot of guys using condoms for that reason.
Casey:
Hold on. Hold on.
Jeff:
But now, you’re like, throwing all this action…
Casey:
Hold on. I can refute that, as well, then with another analogies. I mean refute, attempt to refute.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s not really much of a refutation. There are plenty of things that are super gear-oriented. What the fuck is with modular synths?
Jeff:
Oh, I see.
Casey:
Why the fuck are Sean Barrett and Bryan [ plugging it ]? They could just go and get a music program and make actual music. But no. Instead, they spend thousands of Dollars on weird ass devices you put together, right?
Jeff:
That is a way better analogy. So it’s modular synth of masturbation.
Casey:
It’s not about that. It’s not about that.
Jeff:
Okay.
Casey:
It’s not about what is the best way to masturbate.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s about “I want a process of masturbation. I am enjoying the act of getting these devices, setting up my masturbation rig…”
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Right? I want the whole thing. So I don’t want to just have masturbation and have it happen and have it be done.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
I want the masturbation the, right? And so, if you look at other gear [ whore-ism ] that happens in other fields like the modular synth, like… Another example would be the gaming rigs, right, where they’ve got all [inaudible 79:19] want to experience the game. I’m not just looking for the most efficient way to play this game. I’m looking for a whole game experience. I’m setting aside my Friday night for it and whatever the fuck. This is what you want. You want an entertaining experience. You want it to be complicated. You want that part of the experience.
Jeff:
Right. I could see that.
Casey:
Right?
Jeff:
I could see that. Sure. That makes sense to me.
Casey:
Right? So [inaudible 79:39] masturbation seems totally right. That seems totally logical.
Jeff:
Yeah. And the analogy goes backwards in the sense that most of those people who were into that realized it’s [inaudible 79:49] the… It’s referred to… We’re like…
Casey:
[inaudible 79:52] That’s a good point. Nobody says, “I’m using these modular synths because it’s the most efficient way to make music.” They say, “We’re doing it because it’s fun to make music this way.”
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
And so the same…
Jeff:
And they understand how silly…
Casey:
[80:02]
Jeff:
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like… That’s a part of it.
Casey:
I’m enjoying the process.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
I’m enjoying the process.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
And maybe…
Jeff:
There’s nobody defending it in that way.
Casey:
As efficient.
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Exactly.
Casey:
And so, I think the same thing is true. No one’s gonna defend the Autoblow as the most efficient way to get off potentially. Well, maybe they do, I don’t know. But you wouldn’t need to. You could just defend it by saying, “This is experiential. I want to strap on an Oculus Rift and a fucking Tenga whatever the hell it was called. And I want to have to [ brute up ]…”
Jeff:
The Portal robot…
Casey:
“My Janky [ Jap… ] I want to have to switch to whatever the fuck, Japanese mode, to run the game…”
Jeff:
Right, right.
Casey:
[inaudible 80:36]
Jeff:
You’ve [ got to be in a weird Japanese, pal. ]
Casey:
Yeah, exactly.
Jeff:
Right. You’re running it on an emulator, to be clear…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Because that software, they wrote many years ago…
Casey:
Right. Yeah.
Jeff:
Yeah, so it’s in a VM.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
You’ve mapped the USB hardware so that’s always janky.
Casey:
It’s all disaster, yeah.
Jeff:
But it’s gonna work.
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
Yeah. Alright, well, that’s enough of that. We can put…
Casey:
Yes.
Jeff:
That’s a good junk of the embarrassing part that’s in the Jeff & Casey file and we can, like…
Casey:
I would say, if anything, we have automatically covered it and covered it and covered it and covered it and covered it and then finished for the listeners…
Jeff:
Yes, right.
Casey:
So that they themselves do not have to do it, if I may…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
We have taken care of that for them.
Jeff:
Right. Normally, this is the part where you would say, “If any listener has tried these devices, just let us know…” That’s not what I’m gonna say.
Casey:
Not necessarily.
Jeff:
No, it’s necessarily… We can assume what all happens…
Casey:
That’s between you and your Autoblow.
Jeff:
It’s between you and your robot.
Casey:
If you were a backer…
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
To use the term loosely…
Jeff:
Yeah.
Casey:
So I don’t also know, I should point out, that we did not look. We didn’t really do much research on this. But the Indiegogo campaign, I do not know if backers have received their Autoblow 2 yet. So I don’t know if this is…
Jeff:
Oh, yeah. It might be one of those really…
Casey:
I don’t know if this is coming down the pipe, if you will.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Or if this is something that is just still working… You know, it’s still being worked out.
Jeff:
Well, yeah. I mean, that’s always a risk with those crowdfunded things. You may not get your Autoblow.
Casey:
If it was May 1st crowdfunding deadline… Probably they haven’t even started developing yet. They probably just got the funds just now.
Jeff:
Right. So they probably all got a signed poster of an Autoblow with all the engineers signing it, that kind of thing.
Casey:
Right, yes. Yeah.
Jeff:
Possibly a DVD, the making of… Just like, to keep the interest in as the project continues.
Casey:
Well, for $500-backers, obviously, you get to have… One of the blows has your face, right?
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
One of the sheaths has your face on.
Jeff:
You get to be in it, right.
Casey:
It’s your mouth.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
It’s your mouth on the blowing, right? For a thousand Dollars, you actually get to go… Get blown at lunch with the creators.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
So there’s a number… Airfare’s on you.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
But everything else is [inaudible 82:44]
Jeff:
They don’t pay but if you do get there, you could come to the factory.
Casey:
Yeah, exactly. If you can get there, you get to be blown. But you don’t… We don’t pay. We only… Yeah, you know how it is.
Jeff:
Right.
Casey:
Right.
Jeff:
Well, that makes sense.
Casey:
Yeah, it does.
Jeff:
Alright. Well, hey, thanks, everybody.
Casey:
Soundtrack, also, for 35 and up…
Jeff:
You can get the soundtrack, right?
Casey:
You can get the soundtrack.
Jeff:
Also signed by the musician.
Casey:
Absolutely.
Jeff:
[inaudible 83:03]
Casey:
Digital only…
Jeff:
If you have something for us to cover, please…
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Give us a break because we’ve got these…
Casey:
That was 83 minutes right there, guys. Let us cover something else.
Jeff:
We’ll come back to this in a year.
Casey:
Yeah.
Jeff:
Send us an email at Podcast@JeffAndCaseyShow.com.
Casey:
Podcast@JeffAndCaseyShow.com. We read everything you guys send. And unfortunately, we cover everything you guys send so…
Jeff:
It takes some time.
Casey:
The future is in your hands.
Jeff:
That’s right.
Casey:
The future is in both you and Ray Kurzweil’s capable hands.
Jeff:
That’s right. Alright. Well, hey, thanks, everybody.
Casey:
Thanks for listening and we’ll see you next week.
Jeff:
Thanks.
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